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Rdftreeman
03-17-2014, 06:19 PM
Fallen man cannot come, because fallen man will not come. John 6:44, 5:40, 8:44, Rom 3:10-18, 8:6-8

Mark
03-17-2014, 06:43 PM
Fallen man does come, because many fallen men have come. This is only possible because God has provided us all with sufficient grace to have the free choice, whereas your god has not and cannot. I love how God trumps your god, because what God does, your god cannot do.

Take for example John 6.44.

"No man can come to me, except the Father that sent me draw him: and I will raise him up in the last day." God draws everyone, but sadly many such as yourself "draw back unto perdition" (Heb. 10.39).

Think how evil it is to presume you have been irresistibly selected and your next door neighbor has not. They claim they are saved Christians having come to the cross as helpless sinners though not irresistibly selected as you claim you have been in your false Christ. Didn't Hitler make the same claim of his Aryan race and the Jews were born for the gas chambers what you call preterition of the non-elect?

Personally, I can't think of anything more evil than this.