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Smoking science???
Scientific studies on smoking show it is harmful to you health, thus it is a sin.
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No more then it is to die early because of a car accident.
Nobody is forcing you to do it so it is your sin. A car accident is due to sin in another way, by someone being careless.
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Until you find a naturalistic explanation for all of David Blain and Chris Angel's performances you must accept that they can fly, disappear, change things into other things and so on and so forth.
You don't mention anything specific, but were just vague. Very specifically, the original Apostles said they saw Jesus resurrected, people don't willingly die for something they know is a lie, and group hallucinations are impossible.
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Stop stalling. Are you going to give me those names and dates or what???
One at a time. I have 17 non-Christian sources within 150 years of Jesus' death. Let's start with Tacitus. I don't have any non-Christian sources at the time when Jesus alive or before 70 AD, because the contemporary writings of the day were the NT writings.
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I didn't read anything in Genesis 1 about the earth being a desolate waste. What bible are you reading?
“Thus saith Jehovah that created the heavens, the God that formed the earth and made it, that established it and created it not a waste, that formed it to be inhabited: I am Jehovah; and there is none else” (Is. 45.18). How clear God’s word is. The word “waste” here is “tohu” in Hebrew, which signifies “desolation” or “that which is desolate.” It says here that the earth which God created was not a waste. Why then does Genesis 1.2 state that “the earth was waste”? This may be easily resolved. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth (Gen. 1.1). At that time, the earth which God had created was not a waste; but later on, in passing through a great catastrophe, the earth did become waste and void. So that all which is mentioned from verse 3 onward does not refer to the original creation but to the restoration of the earth. God created the heavens and the earth in the beginning; but He subsequently used the Six Days to remake the earth habitable. Genesis 1.1 was the original world; Genesis 1.3 onward is our present world; while Genesis 1.2 describes the desolate condition which was the earth’s during the transitional period following its original creation and before our present world.
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Where? I didn't see anything. Chapter and verse please.
Read the chapter.
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So homosexuals were going to destroy Israel?
When immorality sets in one thing leads to another: sin begets sin. Adam disobeyed God then Cain killed Abel and Hitler killed millions.
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So why not do that with all murderers? Why did God not kill Osama Bin Ladin when he was a baby? He could have saved countless lives. Or instead of killing people that are influenced by satan, God could do away with satan and the demons and not need to kill babies anymore.
In a natural world there are restrictions. If God killed everyone and prevented them from reaching the age of accountability who end up being murderers, then free will is taken out of the picture and we are not free-willed beings then. God wants to be with free-willed beings. So while it is His prerogative to take out some people, He can't wipe everyone out. God wants us to see the consequence of sin, so, for example, some people go to jail, which is a foretaste of eternal damnation in Hell where you are going.
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I see the slaughtering of babies, women, children and the elderly.
You don't see them as murderers killing their own children by throwing them into the fiery mouth of the god Molech and how utterly evil this is that it simply can't go on and on and on?
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Being dead is the ultimate infringement on free will! You can't do anything if you are dead. How can you think God influencing the womb is worse then murder? Can you hear yourself? You would rather kill, then prevent a situation where killing is necessary.
What makes you think if you were resurrected you would change your mind? I think by the time you are resurrected and didn't give your life to Christ, you really have made your decision for eternity. There is nothing that will convince you at that point otherwise. You eternally separate yourself from God and send yourself to Hell. What would be the point of letting you live in your body of flesh and blood for 10,000 years, for that is just more time for you to mindlessly self-exalt yourself and inflict your corrupted ways on those who are saved. Remember, God is a loving God, so He protects His own. He eventually cuts off our conversation.
You are assuming preventing a situation where killing is necessary doesn't infringe on true authentic free will. Man would not have free will to the extent he does made in God's image if God prevented all sinners from killing or in stopping the womb from producing.
Do you see your doublestandard also? These things happen anyway in your world, so you are not just accusing God but your atheism or agnosticism, but these two are mutually exclusive. They can't both be wrong and can't both be true. One is right and one is wrong. Therefore, you contradict yourself proving your attitude and thought processes are wrong.
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What do you prefer, being killed or having the chance to live?
I prefer righteousness, so my selfish desires are irrelevant.
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Could I get the Book and chapter for that?
"And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD" (Lev. 18.21).
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Wouldn't your exponential progression of conscience take care of that over time? I thought we sin less over time?
They weren't going to believe in God anyway, for not even the exponential progression of conscience could convince them. The progression would be severely decreased and the hardening of their hearts would harden so many others. God's grace was to others to end those 10 tribes that practiced child sacrifices.
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He didn't try influencing the womb of the women. He didn't try appearing to them and explaining to them that what they were doing was wrong. He didn't try exposing the pagan priests for the frauds they were. He didn't prevent the evil in those tribes before it got out of hand. He didn't try a lot of things.
Think about it. God forcing them takes away their free choice. Realistically Jesus could only enter His creation one time to die on the cross, so appearing again and again infringes on free will. They should have seen God through Israel. Everyone has written on their hearts the law of God and everyone has God-consciousness so nobody is without excuse. What you are proposing violates human free will. Just like Hitler was stopped with force, God eventually has to bring in force to stop those tribes which knew better not to kill their own children and throw them into the fire. You don't need God to come in person to tell them that is wrong. And since they worship other gods, who is to say even if God did come in person that they would accept His judgment?
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So it is impossible to adopt the children and raise them right? Is it impossible to teach them not to kill their own children?
You are assuming by adopting they would not grow up to try to teach human sacrifices. So yes, it is impossible to teach them not to continue this practice. God is left with no choice by to annihilate those tribes. He doesn't take such drastic action unless it is necessary.
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The killing of every first born in Egypt. Those murders were justified because of enslavement? You said yourself "I would put murder as being worse than slavery."
From God's side yes because nothing else worked and from Egyptian side, they mistakenly fed tainted wheat to their children which killed them. Killing is necessary sometimes, e.g. we had to stop Hitler.
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I disagree you can have free will and not have the ability to chose evil. You can be given many good options to choose from.
God considers this not true free will, but more like robots, because you are limiting the full range of choices.
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Are you saying God can choose to do evil?
Of course God could never do evil for He is holy, righteous and true, option for Him so He never chooses evil. He always chooses the good.
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Why would a God that claims to be just punish the child of the sinner? That is not how justice works, we put the criminal in jail, not the son or daughter. Your God's sense of justice is misguided.
God is not punishing the child of a sinner. What makes you think that?
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We are talking about killing innocent people, not someone who is trying to kill your kid. You know, innocents like those babies and kids Israel keeps killing. You can't kill children righteously.
You are assuming they are innocent that they will not grow up to do what their parents did. In the OT there is such a thing as righteous killing, for God knew they would grow up to be murderers. The precedence was set for hundreds if not thousands of years they continued that practice.
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Ok let me get this right. Killing is a sin. Israel kills for stupid reasons. If the punishment does not fit the crime, Israel must sin constantly. Unless sin is relative to the Israelites.
Israel killed for just reasons. When Israel killed unrighteously, they were sent to Babylon.
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Stupid reasons to kill for:
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
In the old dispensation it was a necessary reason to usher in the Messiah, to preserve Israel and overcome the evil tribes around them.
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A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Same reason.
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"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Same reason. You should have no problem with this because in your naturalistic world it happens anyway as part of nature.
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Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Yes.
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A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
It was needed to preserve the nation of Israel from falling away like other tribes.
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But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Same reason.
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The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
Same.
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If you do any one of these things you are worthy of death? The punishment does not fit the crime.
All sin leads to death, but note these laws were particular for Israel; they were given to Israel by God. Now we live by the Spirit of the law under the dispensation of grace.
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Oh, could you answer my question I asked a few posts ago. How is a girl that dishonors her father going to compromise Israel's survival? You get an infraction for spelling errors! wast flatlining
See definition for flatline. You're being petty. Thanks for helping with the new infraction for Petty Self. Lately it's your favorite selfishness.
Look what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah for their sexual immorality.