Jesus Created All Things

"For by him [Jesus] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him" (Col. 1.16).

So if you remain a Mormon you are purposefully rebelling against God of the Bible. Jesus existed before time and space with the Father and the Spirit. There is none beside the Triune God, before Him or after Him.

Have the humility to repent and accept the One True God of the Bible. Mormonism is a great sin, a sin that will eternally separate you from God because you will never repent.

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Originally Posted by JediMormon

"salvation is not by works lest anyone should boast"

Really? How do you explain this then: Matthew 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
>There is nothing wrong with doing good works. Doing good works glorifies God.

And this:James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
> Our good works helps our faith to become perfect.

James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
>Good works proves our true faith in Jesus Christ, and as you know, faith in Jesus Christ is essential for salvation.

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"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast" (Eph. 2.8,9). This verse does not contradict James 2.14. You just misread and misunderstand James 2.14.

Once saved works flow by the Holy Spirit from being a new creation of God in Matt. 5.16. But those works could never bring you to be born-again, nor can works lose salvation once saved because John 10.28 says those who are born-again "they shall never perish". James 2.22 agrees that works flow from the new birth of faith in Christ. You remain imperfect before God because you are not born-again. If you were born-again God would see you as a new creation. The reason you are not born-again is because you believe in a created being to save you rather than the uncreated Creator, really no different than JWs. That's why you preach works to be saved and think you will be a good by your fleshly works.

James 2.14 renders the new birth not non-existent, but rather, rewards are lost for the millennial kingdom. James 2.14 doesn't contradict all the passages for the new birth: "you see, his faith and his actions worked together. His actions made his faith complete. And so it happened just as the Scriptures say: Abraham believed God, and God counted him as righteous BECAUSE OF HIS FAITH. He was even called the friend of God. So you see, we are shown to be right with God by what we do, not by faith alone" (James 2.22-24).

Remember the phrase, Ye shall know them by their fruit? If I see people doing things that are unrighteous and unholy and no Christian would do that, I know they are not Christians even if they claim to be. Their works expose them as not born-again because the Holy Spirit would never allow them to come to that point of doing those things.

Faith gets in you the door, works flow from that new life. No amount of work you do could satisfy God before being born-again, because all your works are but filthy rags the Bible says. But once born-again the Holy Spirit works in a person for good works and unto perfection.

"The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's: the Son also..." (Doctrine and Covenants section 130:22).

"God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth" (John 4.24). When we say "spirit" we are referring to that innermost faculty or organ in man that has the functions of intuition, communion and conscience; in contrast to the outerman's soul which has the functions of mind, will and emotion.

"Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world [universe], even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God" (Ps. 90.2).

"As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol [is] nothing in the world, and that [there is] none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." ( 1 Cor. 8.4-6)

"So, what about eating meat that has been offered to idols? Well, we all know that an idol is not really a god and that there is only one God. There may be so-called gods both in heaven and on earth, and some people actually worship many gods and many lords" (1 Cor. 8.4,5 NLT).

In short, these alleged other gods are just in your head. They don't really exist.

Dave Hunt made a good point that the lie of the serpent in the Garden according to Mormons was the truth that they could become gods.

"Let her say unto the Egyptians, she is thy sister, and thy soul shall live" (Book of Abraham 2:24).

God never told Abraham or his wife Sara to lie in Genesis.

Does God lie or did Joseph Smith lie?

"Thou shall not bear false witness" (Ex. 20.16).

"...all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone" (Rev. 21.8)

"If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul" (Deut. 13.1-3).

"Suppose there are prophets among you or those who dream dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles occur. If they then say, 'Come, let us worship other gods'--gods you have not known before--do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you truly love him with all your heart and soul" (Deut. 13.1-3 NLT).

This verse tells me Mormons don't love God. They love themselves not God.

There are over 12 different accounts of Joseph Smith, a 14 year old, seeing the Father and the Son, or the Son only and not the Father, with another angel and without...etc. Joseph Smith's father-in-law wanted nothing to do with Joseph because he was a fabricator of stories. His mother was troubled by his story telling also. He was a con artist at a very young age and only got worse and worse. Satan uses con artists. They are bad people, liars through and through. Do you take after such people? With so many different conflicting accounts Joseph Smith gave, it doesn't have the appearance of a real genuine account. He was a fraud and did not have a conscience. I wonder if Mormons know he is a fraud and Mormons themselves know they themselves are frauds but get off on this unethical behavior. Brigham Young didn't believe Joseph Smith had these visions, so he testified to that fact.

The Jupiter Talisman Joseph Smith had in his pocket when he died after a gun fight represented what he cared about most in life: money, power, women. That is so far away from Christianity. It is the opposite.

Why would the golden plates be preserved for 1400 years only to be not used when Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon by putting his head in a hat that had a peep stone in it? In 1826, 4 years before his translation, he was arrested for using a peep stone, ripping people off with it.

Milton Iwaasa,

Why would the golden plates be preserved for 1400 years only to be not used when Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon by putting his head in a hat that had a peep stone in it? In 1826, 4 years before his translation, he was arrested for using a peep stone, ripping people off with it.

For over 50 years you have been lied to. You live fairly close to the states Wyoming, Utah and Idaho that house most Mormons and even Montana. And Lethbridge where you live has a large Mormon presence.

To finally come to the realization Joseph Smith was a terrible liar, you will weep at your bedside. This can be devastating to your psyche that you have been living a lie all your life.

But then, hopefully, you will accept Jesus as your Savior who died for you who died for us all. If you accept the Son who sets you free you will be free indeed! But if you don't you are going to Hell. Most people are going to Hell. I would not wish this upon my worse enemy.

Whenever I see a good movie I get a burning in my bosom.