God Is Willing - Are You?

[Taksuru]

Please stop sending pompous rubbish like this to me. If you, all the time, are being misunderstood, then it's your own fault. God is not a very good communicator, it seems. He is not very honourable either, for he created Hell, and he sends people there for no good reason. If he exists, he will be reborn as some lowly creature, like a bug, once he dies.

[Churchwork]

I am not referring to me specifically, but people are often misunderstood. You knowing this, imagine how much God is misunderstood, even by you. Thus, you misunderstood the point. Don't blame God, for He has communicated well. So much so the cheapest book in the world is the Bible, it is the most widely distributed text in the world. He must be communicating Himself quite well don't you think?

He never said He created Hell for no good reason. How silly. You misunderstood Him again. It was quite honorable to do the right thing which is to send those to Hell who don't want to be saved from their sins. God is uncreated. He doesn't need to be reborn. He is all-knowing. God can never die. He is eternal. You so easily misunderstand Him. It is not honorable to misrepresent God of the Bible. That violates the 3rd Step in the 4 Step Proof for God, for you are arguing against something else that is not the characteristic of God.

God already entered into His creation and atoned for sins and give eternal life when the Son of God died on the cross, was raised up to the right hand of the Father and there He shall remain until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled. Then He shall return in Person to reign on earth for 1000 years. It would quite bizarre for Him to then get reborn. He was not even reborn when He entered into creation almost 2000 years ago. Rather, He entered into creation. This is not a rebirth. But a one time proposition, once and for all to die on the eternal cross for our sins.

You frequently hear us preachers declare that men have sinned and must go to hell but that the Lord Jesus bore our sins and died on the cross in our stead. Have you ever wondered why we choose to deliver such a message to you? It is because a person need only commit one single sin—even a sin of only one second’s duration—for that person to go to hell. Can it be that you have not sinned in a month, or a year? Can it be that you have never done anything bad nor said anything wrong? Perhaps within only a minute or even but a second, you entertained an improper thought which not even your parents or wife knew. Such a thought is enough to qualify you for hell. Let us all understand. that God hates sin intensely. Our human feeling against the grossest of sins cannot be compared with God’s abhorrence of even the tiniest little sin.

Our detestation of all the sins of the world is far less strong than God’s repugnance of our tiny lie. He knows men have sinned, and He is left with but one solution to the problem—which is, that He himself must come into the world and become a man and bear the sin of the world on a cruel cross. And this He did, showing forth His heart of love. And such was the first great thing God did on the earth.

In addition, though, God recognizes that in spite of the fact that the Lord Jesus has died for our sins, we still may transgress after believing in Him. So for this reason, God gives the Holy Spirit (His very own Spirit) to dwell in us that we may have the power not to sin. And such was the second great thing God did. And this too showed forth His heart of love and concern for mankind.

Hence God offers us two great graces: the one caused the Lord Jesus to die for us that our sins may be forgiven; and the other causes the Holy Spirit to indwell those of us who believe so that we may have the power not to sin in the future.

Therefore, aren't you being pompous by misrepresenting God? Why would the uncreated Creator die for bugs? Bugs don't have God-consciousness. Nobody dictates to God His Son's work on the cross. It is out of His great love and mercy He became one of us so that we could understand Him.

In order to have a conversation, I should not misrepresent your actual beliefs and you should not misrepresent my actual beliefs in believing in God of the Bible. That way we can discuss freely the merits, if any, of both our views and come to the realization who is right and who is wrong so that one of us can repent. I can tell you that I know I am right unequivocally and that you misrepresent God of the Bible should show you that you are sincerely wrong.

You don't want this information you said, so how can I help a stiff-lipped atheist such as yourself if you are not even willing to hear the information that is to help you?

[Taksuru]

So in other words, Yahweh sets impossibly high standards and then send people to Hell for not living up to them?

[Churchwork]

Don't misperceive God. It is not an impossibly high standard to do His will. He said don't eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. What did Adam and Eve do? They were deceived by the evil spirit through the serpent, and thought they could be like God, so they ate. They didn't trust God's love or revere His power against sin's consequences, just like you don't, because you are too selfish. But today, through His redemptive design there are spiritual Christians that are virtually sinless and selfless. Christ is given because nobody can keep the law, not even a law unto themselves they create. Those who are saved no longer live, but Christ lives in us by the Holy Spirit unto perfection.

[Taksuru]

Don't misperceive God. It is not an impossibly high standard to do His will.

Yes it is. By your own admission: Let us all understand. that God hates sin intensely. Our human feeling against the grossest of sins cannot be compared with God’s abhorrence of even the tiniest little sin. And also, see this quote: Our detestation of all the sins of the world is far less strong than God’s repugnance of our tiny lie. Furthermore, I am sure you think everyone is a sinner. Being a sinner means that you fail to live up to Yahweh's standards, right?

[Churchwork]

If you are saved, God does not see you as a sinner because your sins would have been washed by the precious blood. If what you say is true then spiritual Christians today would not be able to accomplish what they have in the righteousness of the saints.

You are misunderstand a key fact. Believers have Christ living inside us, so that it is no longer we that live but He lives in us. In other words, though we can't keep God's standards, with Christ in us, all things are possible.

Now nobody is completely free of sin, but we who are in Christ are being perfected towards sinlessness.