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    Default How Do You Treat Inerrancy?

    We should treat the Bible like any other book in order to show it's not like any other book. Inerrancy is important, but the gospel is bigger than inerrancy. What are apparent discrepancies only establishes what is agreed upon about the core message that is revolutionary: Jesus was confessed as the Messiah by his disciples, he performed miracles and healed people, he forgave sins, he prophesied his own death and resurrection, he died on a Roman cross, and he was raised bodily from the dead. Christians don't die for inerrancy, we die for Christ for that is where are hearts are. That's our salvation. The Bible was not hanged on the cross. Jesus was.

    For example, if this issue about Abiathar and Abiathar's father, Ahimelech (Mark 2.26), makes you not believe in Christ, then you are approaching faith wrongly, http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=3839

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    The same way I treat stupidity 'cause its the same thing

    Theological doctrines:

    1. God is satisfied with his works
    Gen 1:31
    God is dissatisfied with his works.
    Gen 6:6
    2. God dwells in chosen temples
    2 Chron 7:12,16
    God dwells not in temples
    Acts 7:48
    3. God dwells in light
    Tim 6:16
    God dwells in darkness
    1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
    4. God is seen and heard
    Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
    Ex 24:9-11
    God is invisible and cannot be heard
    John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
    5. God is tired and rests
    Ex 31:17
    God is never tired and never rests
    Is 40:28
    6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
    Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
    God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
    things
    Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
    7. God knows the hearts of men
    Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
    God tries men to find out what is in their heart
    Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
    8. God is all powerful
    Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
    God is not all powerful
    Judg 1:19
    9. God is unchangeable
    James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
    God is changeable
    Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
    Ex 33:1,3,17,14
    10. God is just and impartial
    Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
    God is unjust and partial
    Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
    11. God is the author of evil
    Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
    God is not the author of evil
    1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13
    12. God gives freely to those who ask
    James 1:5/ Luke 11:10
    God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving
    them
    John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17
    13. God is to be found by those who seek him
    Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17
    God is not to be found by those who seek him
    Prov 1:28
    14. God is warlike
    Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
    God is peaceful
    Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33
    15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious
    Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19
    God is kind, merciful, and good
    James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/
    1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8
    16. God's anger is fierce and endures long
    Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4
    God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute
    Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5
    17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings,
    sacrifices ,and holy days
    Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9
    God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings,
    sacrifices, and holy days.
    Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12
    18. God accepts human sacrifices
    2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39
    God forbids human sacrifice
    Deut 12:30,31
    19. God tempts men
    Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13
    God tempts no man
    James 1:13
    20. God cannot lie
    Heb 6:18
    God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits t deceive
    2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9
    21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him
    Gen 6:5,7
    Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him
    Gen 8:21
    22. God's attributes are revealed in his works.
    Rom 1:20
    God's attributes cannot be discovered
    Job 11:7/ Is 40:28
    23. There is but one God
    Deut 6:4
    There is a plurality of gods
    Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John 5:7

    Moral Precepts

    24. Robbery commanded
    Ex 3:21,22/ Ex 12:35,36
    Robbery forbidden
    Lev 19:13/ Ex 20:15
    25. Lying approved and sanctioned
    Josh 2:4-6/ James 2:25/ Ex 1:18-20/ 1 Kings 22:21,22
    Lying forbidden
    Ex 20:16/ Prov 12:22/ Rev 21:8
    26. Hatred to the Edomite sanctioned
    2 Kings 14:7,3
    Hatred to the Edomite forbidden
    Deut 23:7
    27. Killing commanded
    Ex 32:27
    Killing forbidden
    Ex 20:13
    28. The blood-shedder must die
    Gen 9:5,6
    The blood-shedder must not die
    Gen 4:15
    29. The making of images forbidden
    Ex 20:4
    The making of images commanded
    Ex 25:18,20
    30. Slavery and oppression ordained
    Gen 9:25/ Lev 25:45,46/ Joel 3:8
    Slavery and oppression forbidden
    Is 58:6/ Ex 22:21/ Ex 21:16/ Matt 23:10
    31. Improvidence enjoyed
    Matt 6:28,31,34/ Luke 6:30,35/ Luke 12:3
    Improvidence condemned
    1 Tim 5:8/ Prov 13:22
    32. Anger approved
    Eph 4:26
    Anger disapproved
    Eccl 7:9/ Prov 22:24/ James 1:20
    33. Good works to be seen of men
    Matt 5:16
    Good works not to be seen of men
    Matt 6:1
    34. Judging of others forbidden
    Matt 7:1,2
    Judging of others approved
    1 Cor 6:2-4/ 1 Cor 5:12
    35. Christ taught non-resistance
    Matt 5:39/ Matt 26:52
    Christ taught and practiced physical resistance
    Luke 22:36/ John 2:15
    36. Christ warned his followers not to fear being killed
    Luke 12:4
    Christ himself avoided the Jews for fear of being killed
    John 7:1
    37. Public prayer sanctioned
    1 Kings 8:22,54, 9:3
    Public prayer disapproved
    Matt
    6:5,6
    38. Importunity in prayer commended
    Luke 18:5,7
    Importunity in prayer condemned
    Matt 6:7,8
    39. The wearing of long hair by men sanctioned
    Judg 13:5/ Num 6:5
    The wearing of long hair by men condemned
    1 Cor 11:14
    40. Circumcision instituted
    Gen 17:10
    Circumcision condemned
    Gal 5:2
    41. The Sabbath instituted
    Ex 20:8
    The Sabbath repudiated
    Is 1:13/ Rom 14:5/ Col 2:16
    42. The Sabbath instituted because God rested on the seventh day
    Ex 20:11
    The Sabbath instituted because God brought the Israelites
    out of Egypt
    Deut 5:15
    43. No work to be done on the Sabbath under penalty of death
    Ex 31:15/ Num 15:32,36
    Jesus Christ broke the Sabbath and justified his disciples in
    the same
    John 5:16/ Matt 12:1-3,5
    44. Baptism commanded
    Matt 28:19
    Baptism not commanded
    1 Cor 1:17,14
    45. Every kind of animal allowed for food.
    Gen 9:3/ 1 Cor 10:25/ Rom 14:14
    Certain kinds of animals prohibited for food.
    Deut 14:7,8
    46. Taking of oaths sanctioned
    Num 30:2/ Gen 21:23-24,31/ Gen 31:53/ Heb 6:13
    Taking of oaths forbidden
    Matt 5:34
    47. Marriage approved
    Gen 2:18/ Gen 1:28/ Matt 19:5/ Heb 13:4
    Marriage disapproved
    1 Cor 7:1/ 1 Cor 7:7,8
    48. Freedom of divorce permitted
    Deut 24:1/ Deut 21:10,11,14
    Divorce restricted
    Matt 5:32
    49. Adultery forbidden
    Ex 20:14/ Heb 13:4
    Adultery allowed
    Num 31:18/ Hos 1:2; 2:1-3
    50. Marriage or cohabitation with a sister denounced
    Deut 27:22/ Lev 20:17
    Abraham married his sister and God blessed the union
    Gen 20:11,12/ Gen 17:16
    51. A man may marry his brother's widow
    Deut 25:5
    A man may not marry his brother's widow
    Lev 20:21
    52. Hatred to kindred enjoined
    Luke 14:26
    Hatred to kindred condemned
    Eph 6:2/ Eph 5:25,29
    53. Intoxicating beverages recommended
    Prov 31:6,7/ 1 Tim 5:23/ Ps 104:15
    Intoxicating beverages discountenanced
    Prov 20:1/ Prov 23:31,32
    54. It is our duty to obey our rulers, who are God's ministers
    and punish evil doers only
    Rom 13:1-3,6
    It is not our duty to obey rulers, who sometimes punish the
    good and receive unto themselves damnation therefor
    Ex 1:17,20/ Dan 3:16,18/ Dan 6:9,7,10/ Acts 4:26,27/
    Mark 12:38,39,40/ Luke 23:11,24,33,35
    55. Women's rights denied
    Gen 3:16/ 1 Tim 2:12/ 1 Cor 14:34/ 1 Pet 3:6
    Women's rights affirmed
    Judg 4:4,14,15/ Judg 5:7/ Acts 2:18/ Acts 21:9
    56. Obedience to masters enjoined
    Col 3:22,23/ 1 Pet 2:18
    Obedience due to God only
    Matt 4:10/ 1 Cor 7:23/ Matt 23:10
    57. There is an unpardonable sin
    Mark 3:29
    There is not unpardonable sin
    Acts 13:39

    Historical Facts

    58. Man was created after the other animals
    Gen 1:25,26,27
    Man was created before the other animals
    Gen 2:18,19
    59. Seed time and harvest were never to cease
    Gen 8:22
    Seed time and harvest did cease for seven years
    Gen 41:54,56/ Gen 45:6
    60. God hardened Pharaoh's heart
    Ex 4:21/ Ed 9:12
    Pharaoh hardened his own heart
    Ex 8:15
    61. All the cattle and horses in Egypt died
    Ex 9:3,6/ 14:9
    All the horses of Egypt did not die
    Ex 14:9
    62. Moses feared Pharaoh
    Ex 2:14,15,23; 4:19
    Moses did not fear Pharaoh
    Heb 11:27
    63. There died of the plague twenty-four thousand
    Num 25:9
    There died of the plague but twenty-three thousand
    1 Cor 10:8
    64. John the Baptist was Elias
    Matt 11:14
    John the Baptist was not Elias
    John 1:21
    65. The father of Joseph, Mary's husband was Jacob
    Matt 1:16
    The father of Mary's husband was Heli
    Luke 3:23
    66. The father of Salah was Arphaxad
    Gen 11:12
    The father of Salah was Cainan
    Luke 3:35,36
    67. There were fourteen generations from Abraham to David
    Matt 1:17
    There were but thirteen generations from Abraham to David
    Matt 1:2-6
    68. There were fourteen generations from the Babylonian captivity
    to Christ.
    Matt 1:17
    There were but thirteen generations from the Babylonian
    captivity to Christ
    Matt 1:12-16
    69. The infant Christ was taken into Egypt
    Matt 2:14,15,19,21,23
    The infant Christ was not taken into Egypt
    Luke 2:22, 39
    70. Christ was tempted in the wilderness
    Mark 1:12,13
    Christ was not tempted in the wilderness
    John 2:1,2
    71. Christ preached his first sermon on the mount
    Matt 5:1,2
    Christ preached his first sermon on the plain
    Luke 6:17,20
    72. John was in prison when Jesus went into Galilee
    Mark 1:14
    John was not in prison when Jesus went into Galilee
    John 1:43/ John 3:22-24
    73. Christ's disciples were commanded to go forth with a staff
    and sandals
    Mark 6:8,9
    Christ's disciples were commanded to go forth with neither
    staffs nor sandals.
    Matt 10:9,10
    74. A woman of Canaan besought Jesus
    Matt 15:22
    It was a Greek woman who besought Him
    Mark 7:26
    75. Two blind men besought Jesus
    Matt 20:30
    Only one blind man besought Him
    Luke 18:35,38
    76. Christ was crucified at the third hour
    Mark 15:25
    Christ was not crucified until the sixth hour
    John 19:14,15
    77. The two thieves reviled Christ.
    Matt 27:44/ Mark 15:32
    Only one of the thieves reviled Christ
    Luke 23:39,40
    78. Satan entered into Judas while at supper
    John 13:27
    Satan entered into him before the supper
    Luke 22:3,4,7
    79. Judas committed suicide by hanging
    Matt 27:5
    Judas did not hang himself, but died another way
    Acts 1:18
    80. The potter's field was purchased by Judas
    Acts 1:18
    The potter's field was purchased by the Chief Priests
    Matt 27:6,7
    81. There was but one woman who came to the sepulchre
    John 20:1
    There were two women who came to the sepulchre
    Matt 28:1
    82. There were three women who came to the sepulchre
    Mark 16:1
    There were more than three women who came to the sepulchre
    Luke 24:10
    83. It was at sunrise when they came to the sepulchre
    Mark 16:2
    It was some time before sunrise when they came.
    John 20:1
    84. There were two angels seen by the women at the sepulchre, and
    they were standing up.
    Luke 24:4
    There was but one angel seen, and he was sitting down.
    Matt 28:2,5
    85. There were two angels seen within the sepulchre.
    John 20:11,12
    There was but one angel seen within the sepulchre
    Mark 16:5
    86. Christ was to be three days and three nights in the grave
    Matt 12:40
    Christ was but two days and two nights in the grave
    Mark 15:25,42,44,45,46; 16:9>
    87. Holy ghost bestowed at pentecost
    Acts 1:8,5
    Holy ghost bestowed before pentecost
    John 20:22
    88. The disciples were commanded immediately after the
    resurrection to go into Galilee
    Matt 28:10
    The disciples were commanded immediately after the
    resurrection to go tarry at Jerusalem
    Luke 24:49
    89. Jesus first appeared to the eleven disciples in a room at
    Jerusalem
    Luke 24:33,36,37/ John 20:19
    Jesus first appeared to the eleven on a mountain in Galilee
    Matt 28:16,17
    90. Christ ascended from Mount Olivet
    Acts 1:9,12
    Christ ascended from Bethany
    Luke 24:50,51
    91. Paul's attendants heard the miraculous voice, and stood
    speechless
    Acts 9:7
    Paul's attendants heard not the voice and were prostrate
    Acts 26:14
    92. Abraham departed to go into Canaan
    Gen 12:5
    Abraham went not knowing where
    Heb 11:8
    93. Abraham had two sons
    Gal 4:22
    Abraham had but one son
    Heb 11:17
    94. Keturah was Abraham's wife
    Gen 25:1
    Keturah was Abraham's concubine
    1 Chron 1:32
    95. Abraham begat a son when he was a hundred years old, by the
    interposition of Providence
    Gen 21:2/ Rom 4:19/ Heb 11:12
    Abraham begat six children more after he was a hundred years
    old without any interposition of providence
    Gen 25:1,2
    96. Jacob bought a sepulchre from Hamor
    Josh 24:32
    Abraham bought it of Hamor
    Acts 7:16
    97. God promised the land of Canaan to Abraham and his seed
    forever
    Gen 13:14,15,17; 17:8
    Abraham and his seed never received the promised land
    Acts 7:5/ Heb 11:9,13
    98. Goliath was slain by Elhanan
    2 Sam 21:19 *note, was changed in translation to be
    correct. Original manuscript was incorrect>
    The brother of Goliath was slain by Elhanan
    1 Chron 20:5
    99. Ahaziah began to reign in the twelfth year of Joram
    2 Kings 8:25
    Ahaziah began to reign in the eleventh year of Joram
    2 Kings 9:29
    100. Michal had no child
    2 Sam 6:23
    Michal had five children
    2 Sam 21:8
    101. David was tempted by the Lord to number Israel
    2 Sam 24:1
    David was tempted by Satan to number the people
    1 Chron 21:1
    102. The number of fighting men of Israel was 800,000; and of
    Judah 500,000
    2 Sam 24:9
    The number of fighting men of Israel was 1,100,000; and of
    Judah 470,000
    1 Chron 21:5
    103. David sinned in numbering the people
    2 Sam 24:10
    David never sinned, except in the matter of Uriah
    1 Kings 15:5
    104. One of the penalties of David's sin was seven years of
    famine.
    2 Sam 24:13
    It was not seven years, but three years of famine
    1 Chron 21:11,12
    105. David took seven hundred horsemen
    2 Sam 8:4
    David took seven thousand horsemen
    1 Chron 18:4
    106. David bought a threshing floor for fifty shekels of silver
    2 Sam 24:24
    David bought the threshing floor for six hundred shekels of
    gold
    1 Chron 21:25
    107. David's throne was to endure forever.
    Ps 89:35-37
    David's throne was cast down
    Ps 89:44

    Speculative Doctrines

    108. Christ is equal with God
    John 10:30/ Phil 2:5
    Christ is not equal with God
    John 14:28/ Matt 24:36
    109. Jesus was all-powerful
    Matt 28:18/ John 3:35
    Jesus was not all-powerful
    Mark 6:5
    110. The law was superseded by the Christian dispensation
    Luke 16:16/ Eph 2:15/ Rom 7:6
    The law was not superseded by the Christian dispensation
    Matt 5:17-19
    111. Christ's mission was peace
    Luke 2:13,14
    Christ's mission was not peace
    Matt 10:34
    112. Christ received not testimony from man
    John 5:33,34
    Christ did receive testimony from man
    John 15:27
    113. Christ's witness of himself is true.
    John 8:18,14
    Christ's witness of himself is not true.
    John 5:31
    114. Christ laid down his life for his friends
    John 15:13/ John 10:11
    Christ laid down his life for his enemies
    Rom 5:10
    115. It was lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death
    John 19:7
    It was not lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death
    John 18:31
    116. Children are punished for the sins of the parents
    Ex 20:5
    Children are not punished for the sins of the parents
    Ezek 18:20
    117. Man is justified by faith alone
    Rom 3:20/ Gal 2:16/ Gal 3:11,12/ Rom 4:2
    Man is not justified by faith alone
    James 2:21,24/ Rom 2:13
    118. It is impossible to fall from grace
    John 10:28/ Rom 8:38,39
    It is possible to fall from grace
    Ezek 18:24/ Heb 6:4-6, 2 Pet 2:20,21
    119. No man is without sin
    1 Kings 8:46/ Prov 20:9/ Eccl 7:20/ Rom 3:10
    Christians are sinless
    1 John 3: 9,6,8
    120. There is to be a resurrection of the dead
    1 Cor 15:52/ Rev 20:12,13/ Luke 20:37/ 1 Cor 15:16
    There is to be no resurrection of the dead
    Job 7:9/ Eccl 9:5/ Is 26:14
    121. Reward and punishment to be bestowed in this world
    Prov 11:31
    Reward and punishment to be bestowed in the next world
    Rev 20:12/ Matt 16:27/ 2 Cor 5:10
    122. Annihilation the portion of all mankind
    Job 3: 11,13-17,19-22/ Eccl 9:5,10/ Eccl 3:19,20
    Endless misery the portion of all mankind
    Matt 25:46/ Rev 20:10,15/ Rev 14:11/ Dan 12:2
    123. The Earth is to be destroyed
    2 Pet 3:10/ Heb 1:11/ Rev 20:11
    The Earth is never to be destroyed
    Ps 104:5/ Eccl 1:4
    124. No evil shall happen to the godly
    Prov 12:21/ 1 Pet 3:13
    Evil does happen to the godly
    Heb 12:6/ Job 2:3,7
    125. Worldly good and prosperity are the lot of the godly
    Prov 12:21/ Ps 37:28,32,33,37/ Ps 1:1,3/ Gen 39:2/
    Job 42:12
    Worldly misery and destitution the lot of the godly
    Heb 11:37,38/ Rev 7:14/ 2 Tim 3:12/ Luke 21:17
    126. Worldly prosperity a reward of righteousness and a blessing
    Mark 10:29,30/ Ps 37:25/ Ps 112:1,3/ Job 22:23,24/
    Prov 15:6
    Worldly prosperity a curse and a bar to future reward
    Luke 6:20,24/ Matt 6:19,21/ Luke 16:22/ Matt 19:24/
    Luke 6:24
    127. The Christian yoke is easy
    Matt 11:28,29,30
    The Christian yoke is not easy
    John 16:33/ 2 Tim 3:12/ Heb 12:6,8
    128. The fruit of God's spirit is love and gentleness
    Gal 5:22
    The fruit of God's spirit is vengeance and fury
    Judg 15:14/ 1 Sam 18:10,11
    129. Longevity enjoyed by the wicked
    Job 21:7,8/ Ps 17:14/ Eccl 8:12/ Is 65:20
    Longevity denied to the wicked
    Eccl 8:13/ Ps 55:23/ Prov 10:27/ Job 36:14/ Eccl 7:17
    130. Poverty a blessing
    Luke 6:20,24/ Jams 2:5
    Riches a blessing
    Prov 10:15/ Job 22:23,24/ Job 42:12
    Neither poverty nor riches a blessing
    Prov 30:8,9
    131. Wisdom a source of enjoyment
    Prov 3:13,17
    Wisdom a source of vexation, grief and sorrow
    Eccl 1:17,18
    132. A good name is a blessing
    Eccl 7:1/ Prov 22:1
    A good name is a curse
    Luke 6:26
    133. Laughter commended
    Eccl 3:1,4/ Eccl 8:15
    Laughter condemned
    Luke 6:25/ Eccl 7:3,4
    134. The rod of correction a remedy for foolishness
    Prov 22:15
    There is no remedy for foolishness
    Prov 27:22
    135. A fool should be answered according to his folly
    Prov 26:5
    A fool should not be answered according to his folly
    Prov 26:4
    136. Temptation to be desired
    James 1:2
    Temptation not to be desired
    Matt 6:13
    137. Prophecy is sure
    2 Pet 1:19
    Prophecy is not sure
    Jer 18:7-10
    138. Man's life was to be one hundred and twenty years
    Gen 6:3/ Ps 90:10
    Man's life is but seventy years
    Ps 90:10
    139. The fear of man was to be upon every beast
    Gen 9:2
    The fear of man is not upon the lion
    Prov 30:30
    140. Miracles a proof of divine mission
    Matt 11:2-5/ John 3:2/ Ex 14:31
    Miracles not a proof of divine mission
    Ex 7:10-12/ Deut 13:1-3/ Luke 11:19
    141. Moses was a very meek man
    Num 12:3
    Moses was a very cruel man
    Num 31:15,17
    142. Elijah went up to heaven
    2 Kings 2:11
    None but Christ ever ascended into heaven
    John 3:13
    143. All scripture is inspired
    2 Tim 3:16
    Some scripture is not inspired
    1 Cor 7:6/ 1 Cor 7:12/ 2 Cor 11:17

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    That list is from Self-Contradictions of the Bible by William Henry Burr, published in 1860. There's a list of responses at http://www.rationalchristianity.net/143contrad.html

    I have only looked over a few responses and think 122 and 123 should include some commentary on the book of Ecclesiastes much of which is written from a humanistic point of view. From the Believer's Bible Commentary:
    "If this key -under the sun- is not kept constantly in mind, then the book will present mountainous difficulties. It will seem to contradict the rest of Scripture, to set forth strange doctrines, and to advocate a morality that is questionable, to say the least.


    But if we remember that Ecclesiastes is a compendium of human, not divine wisdom, then we will understand why it is that while some of its conclusions are true, some are only half true, and some are not true at all....When we say that some of the book's conclusions "under the sun" are only half true and some are not true at all, what does this do to the inspiration of Ecclesiastes? The answer is that it does not affect the question of inspiration in the slightest.

    The book is part of the inspired Word of God. It is God-breathed in the sense that the Lord ordained that it should be included in the canon of Scripture. We hold to the verbal, plenary inspiration of Ecclesiastes as we do the rest of the bible."
    (Believer's Bible Commentary by William MacDonald, p. 875)

    Later on MacDonald says "Ecclesiastes represents man's best conclusions as he searches for answers "under the sun"... It is what a wise man might think if he did not have a Bible."
    (Believer's Bible Commentary, p. 907)
    Former Jehovah's Witness said "The entire book of Ecclesiastes is written in a sort of point-counterpoint style expressing such hopelessness and discouragement, and then eventually responding to this with positive expressions of faith."

    http://www.cftf.com/death/index.html

    Regarding number 122, there are a few other verses which are believed to support annihilation such as Psalm 88:5 and Ezekiel 18:4 though the latter one is badly taken out of context. Burr cited Eccl. 3:19-20 but didn't take verse 21 into account:

    Who knows if the spirit of man rises upward and if the spirit of the animal goes down into the earth?" (Eccl. 3:21, NIV)

    The teacher was looking at the final destination of people and animals on earth and at that point wasn't sure about the afterlife. At the end of the book he says that man's spirit returns to God.

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    The teacher was looking at the final destination of people and animals on earth and at that point wasn't sure about the afterlife. At the end of the book he says that man's spirit returns to God.
    Yes. Our physical death is addressed without indicating what comes next. It is not specifying annihilation.

    We can say through proof of Scripture those who go to rest are waiting to be resurrected in that place of timeless unawares, the paradise below (the good side of Hades where Lazarus and the repentant thief went) and where the Rich man went (the bad side of Hades), and their resurrection is separated by a thousand years. We whom are saved will be resurrected together (1 Thess. 4.15-17) and those who are unsaved will be resurrected together for the second death which is Hell.

    We are all appointed once to die, even Enoch and Elijah who will return as the Two Witnesses. However, at first rapture before the first trumpet many will be taken up for keeping the Word of His patience (Rev. 3.10) without seeing death. And those who are "alive" and "left" at the last trumpet (1 Thess. 4.15-17) will also be raptured alive who make it through the Tribulation without being martyred and since they were not "taken" at the first rapture (Matt. 24.42).

    And regarding the Earth, the Bible agrees with science the Earth will be burnt up and "without the sea." Hence, the New City and New Earth.

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