Quote Originally Posted by saden99
The Universe always has a cause? Please state that clearly. How is it that anyone is saying something came from nothing? There is no concluding evidence that something cannot come from nothing. What are you talking about, "heat death"? And why would man not be in the state he is now? We aren't saying that man was created at the instant the universe was created.
Let me see if I can state it more clearly: the universe ALWAYS has a cause. You haven't heard atheists say the universe started up all by itself or something in nature just spontaneously happened all by itself, that would be from nothing, to try to disprove God? Aren't you now arguing possibly something could come from nothing? Doesn't that violate the scientific method for the 1st law of thermodynamics? You think that if the universe had existed for 50 billion years more than it is now, it would not experience more heat death than it does presently? Do you really think man would be sinning as much as he does now considering how far we have come in just a few thousand years? Man doesn't have to be created at the instant of a an alleged universe from eternity past, but he certainly would have approximated to it if your claim was true. Therefore he would not still be sinning as much as he does now. I think you are making the mistake, pompously so, of thinking you have to be God to know if God exists, because you are requiring you have to know everything to know if the universe needs a cause. That will never happen. You're just not that bright. If in a court of law beyond a reasonable doubt and preponderance of evidence can determine an outcome and is scientifically by existentialists in the scientific method, then it would seem you are being unreasonable.