I know this is hard to understand providential but just as those Calvinists are not saved nor are you because you are Wesleyan. Paul Washer is going to Hell with James White and Roman Catholics.

Quote Originally Posted by Providential1611
You don't seem very bright. Belief in Once Saved Always Saved is not essential to salvation. What needs to be believed is spelled out in 1Cor 15:1-4, and your doctrine is not there, and ironically enough, Paul DENIES you doctrine there ands asserts the opposite--how people who believed can believe in vain IF they don't continue in it. God has called me clean, and you cannot make me unclean. You need to stop posing as a theologian, because you surely are not one.
1 Cor. 15 says "you have believed in vain" because you reject what was "preached unto you" that those who are born-again "they shall never perish (John 10.28). This is how I know you are going to Hell. To enter into an eternal salvation that can never be lost one must enter "conditionally"; in other words, receive the God who keeps in humility not thinking you can keep yourself saved for that is arrogance. Following is unto rewards, not loss of life. You're trying to trick God.

Like I said, you're not too bright. There is NOTHING in 1Cor.15 about believing your doctrine. Paul lists what needs to be believed. So now you are engaging in deliberate deception--LYING, and so your true colors manifest. And your incessant reference to John 10:28 actually undermines your position, which is unconditional salvation.  But right in Christ's statements are TWO CONDITIONS cited--listening and following. To them eternal life is given, not to one-trick ponies
The Bible says there are false Christs. You worship a false Christ. You gave your life to an impotent god that can't keep you saved. I know you never gave your life to Christ because those who are born-again receive eternal life that is eternal, can never be lost, but since you say it can be lost you show you don't have that sense of eternal life in you. On the contrary you believe you could lose salvation which is diabolically opposed to God's life in the saints.

"Unless ye have believed in vain" (1 Cor. 15.2), then you were not saved. "If ye keep in memory what I preached unto you" (v.2). You have not kept in memory what was preached for John 10.28 says "I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish." So you have rejected what Jesus preached, thus you believe in vain and are not saved. You never were saved. Paul confirms as well in many verse a person cannot lose salvation. Therefore, God calls you unclean and false.

And you are going to heaven? You are saved? I'm sorry, but everyone I ever met who banished nearly everyone from salvation and heaven was actually not saved and part of a cult of some sort. SInce I trust in Christ, who saved me, saves me and WILL save me, since His precious blood washed my sin away and since I have been born again and live for HIm and not for sin anymore, what are you saying to me? God is for me, even if you are against me.
You are not saved and banish yourself because you refuse to give your life to the God who keeps. Those who are born-again "they shall never perish (John 10.28), therefore, you are not born-again. Do not fret though, simply give your life to this God now and so shall you be saved. Praise the Lord! Amen.

1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
"And it is this Good News that saves you if you firmly believe it [those born-again "shall never perish" John 10.28]--unless, of course, you believed something that was never true in the first place [a person could lose salvation]" (1 Cor. 15.2).

LIke I said, you need a course in logic. Paul Washer believes in your erronoues doctrine of Once Saved always Saved--so according to YOU, He is saved simply for believing that doctrine. LOL. But you have somehow managed to damn him anyway. But since you don't mind being deceptive, you continue to insert John 10:28 into 1Cor 15 as a condition when it is not.  You REFUSE to LIST WHAT PAUL SAID WAS NECESSARY to believe, and insert your own idea. FALSE GOSPEL.
I don't think a course in logic could help you because you could be taught by the best logicians on the world and you will still refuse what they have to say, for the flesh can rationalize anything. Paul Washer believed in a false version of OSAS, that is to say, he believed he was irresistibly made to be regenerated and unable to escape it. Whereas Christians (OSAS Arminians) are once-saved-always-saved, because that is who we gave our lives to to keep us in humility knowing we can't keep ourselves saved like you think you can keep yourself saved in your own strength and pride. I already said several times Paul Washer was not saved so who you do say I say otherwise? Paul Washer refuses to give his life to the God who keeps by erecting an idol called Total depravity which says he can't. And you refuse to give your life to the God who keeps by self-exalting yourself that you keep yourself saved. No man can do that. Eventually you will fall away from your own faith.

Paul taught OSAS so it's part of 1 Cor. 15. Is Jesus a liar when he said those who are born-again "they shall never perish"? You're not really accusing me but God Almighty. Paul listed what is needed to be saved which you reject so you worship a false Christ and are under a false salvation, a false gospel.

Paul Washer is going to Hell since he is a Calvinist and so is Providential1611: "And it is this Good News that saves you if you firmly believe it [the born-again "shall never perish" John 10.28]--unless, of course, you believed something that was never true in the first place [a person could lose salvation]" (1 Cor. 15.2).

You don't want to believe in this Christ and that makes me very sad for you. As Paul said,

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away. Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time" (1 Pet. 1.3-5).

This is nonsense. Now, lets try again and see if FACTS can enter your cranium: One's view on whether a Christian can fall away and perish is not relevant to salvation itself. Christ requires repentance and faith. And once that takes place, GOD FORGIVES AND REGENERATES that soul. Who are you to say otherwise and put stumblingblocks in the way? Well, you are like the Pharisees Christ condemned for doing that very thing. Ironically OSAS is a SATANIC DOCTRINE.
Giving your life to a God where you can keep your salvation is worshiping a false Christ. This is either salvation by works or being saved by your own strength. So obviously, you are not saved as you would need to give your life to the God who keeps. Just like you, most Roman Catholics are unsaved. Salvation is not by works, lest any man should boast. Imagine yourself on your pedestal in Hell declaring to all the others in Hell, you keep yourself saved. Could anything be more psychotic?

I believe salvation requires repentance and faith and once that takes place God forgives and regenerates that soul, so why be like Satan and accuse that I don't? You put up your own stumbling block, for you admit you refuse to repent and believe in the God who keeps because you rely on your own strength instead. You are like the Pharisees Christ condemned because they too did not want to give their lives to God of the Bible either. Non-OSAS is a Satanic doctrine of the great harlot of religious Rome to control people in their system and to pride themselves over others. When eternal life is given at new birth, it is eternal, can never be lost, for the Holy Spirit to indwell. Obviously, you don't have this sense of life.

As Dave Hunt would say, that would be a weird kind of salvation if you could get saved, lose it, get it back again only to lose it again. God is no fool! He simply won't save you to begin with. So you were never born-again. How sad for you.