Quote Originally Posted by Michael LeCheminant
I believe what the Book of Mormon says. The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are one God. In addition to the verse I quoted earlier, the Book of Mormon also says:

"And thus will the Father bear record of me, and the Holy Ghost will bear record unto him of the Father and me; for the Father, and I, and the Holy Ghost are one." (3 Nephi 11:36)

Just as Jesus prayed to his Father in John 17:21-23:

"That they may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me."

I believe they are one, but that does not mean that they are the same personage. I think that you agree with me there. If you call that the Trinity, then I guess you could say that I believe in the Trinity. I just don't use that term because it isn't Biblical. If you want to use non-Biblical terms, that's fine with me.
"One God" is One Being so you don't believe the Trinity of God the Father, God the Son and God the Spirit.

You are misrepresenting Christianity. Christians don't say the Trinity is the "same personage" but rather, 3 Persons. You're actually arguing against Modalism and Unitarianism, but that has always been rejected as heresy. The Trinity is Biblical since the Father is I AM and Jesus is I AM. You believe in the Trinity because you reject Jesus who is with God and is God (John 1.1).

Now as far as God having a body. Your position is that Mormons are not Christians because we believe God has a body. Now you can't have it both ways. If Jesus is God, as Mormons believe, then he either has a resurrected body or he doesn't. Do you stand by your statement that God does not have a body? If so, you are either rejecting the divinity of Christ or the resurrection. Which of those are you rejecting? Are you diminishing Jesus and saying that he isn't God? Or do you believe that the resurrection was a hoax? If so, it sounds sounds like you are not a true Christian. I believe that Jesus is God, and he has a resurrected body. Therefore God has a body. Since Jesus has a body, then the Father and the Holy Spirit are separate personages because they can't inhabit the same body as Jesus.

The same logic applies to your assertion that nobody has seen God. Jesus is God, and people have seen Jesus. Therefore, people have seen God. Also, you said "when you see Jesus you see the Father." If your statement is accepted as true, then you must be saying that people have seen the Father. So you are contradicting yourself. Which one is it, have people seen God, or haven't they?
You're confusing for the purposes of creation Jesus having a body and God the Father having a body (God the Father is spirit, has no body). God the Father does not have a body nor does the Holy Ghost. Furthermore, before time and space that Jesus created, He never had a body as the 2nd Person of the Trinity. It's not that hard to understand. What Christian do you know that does not believe the resurrection of Jesus? So why argue that? The 3 Persons of the Godhead are 3 Personages yet One Being. What you define as a Christian is not a Christian at all because a Christian believes in Monotheism that God was alone from everlasting before time and space, creating time and space. Even the Devil knows this. So what does that say of you? When we pray we pray to the Father through Jesus by the Holy Spirit. These are the 3 operations of the Triune God in relation with His children. The Holy Spirit indwells the newly born-again believer. Our relationship is with Jesus and our prays go up to the Father. It is no longer I that live, but Christ in me by the Holy Spirit.

In addition, the Bible does say that Stephen saw the Father and the Son at the same time. Acts 7:55-56:

"But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up steadfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, and said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing on the right hand of God."

It sounds to me like Stephen saw the Father. He also saw the resurrected Jesus at the same time. And they were standing next to each other. There is nothing that says that they are the same person. If it is possible for Stephen to have the heavens opened and see the Father and the Son while he was full of the Holy Ghost, why would it be impossible for the same thing to happen to Joseph Smith, at least theoretically. You are denying the omnipotence of God the Father. If he can do anything, then surely he can appear to someone if he wants to.
Stephen did not see the Father, but the glory of the Father. He saw Jesus but not the Father. No man can see the Father the Bible says. You are arguing for a contradiction in the Bible, but there is none. You're just misreading into it. Here also again you are arguing against Modalism when you said "they are [not] the same person". Christians are not Modalists. We are Trinitarian. Don't you know the difference? Joseph Smith didn't see anything. He just made it all up. When he is caught in so many lies you shouldn't assume he saw anything. You should believe it is just another lie. Smith contradicts the Bible. He never saw the Father. Period. God can't do anything unrighteous and being able to see the Father is unholy as so many passages describe it as such. God hide in the crevice so you won't die when God passes by. God would not have omnipotence, omnipresence and omniscience if God always had a body or if there was material beside him, intelligences or matter, or whatever. Mormonism is a cult. Walk away and never look back like Lot. You can thank me later.

If all that is required for salvation is for me to accept Jesus as my Savior, then I have done that. Therefore, I am saved. And if it is true, as you claim, that "once saved, always saved," then there is no way that my salvation can be taken away from me. So how in the world can you say that you know with 100% certainty that I am going to hell? You don't know my heart. Only God can judge that. If Mormons accept Christ as their Savior, then by the standard evangelical definition of salvation, Mormons are saved! So why don't you just leave us alone rather than harassing us with your illogical rhetoric?

As a final note, of course God the Father did not have physical sex with Mary. Mary was a virgin.
You've revealed your heart to me already because you admit you will forever reject who Jesus truly is. What else can God do but send you to Hell then since you won't repent. God has judged your heart already and said you are "condemned already" (John 3.18). The standard of evangelical definition of salvation is not met. We are not harassing you anymore than you are harassing Christians by creating a cult and claiming the Church did not exist for 18 centuries and forgetting the founder of your cult was a con artist and a murderer.

How illogical it is to reject Jesus created all things when the Bible says Jesus created all things. How illogical it is to reject Jesus is the Great I AM and so is the Father. How illogical to invent and place material/matter/intelligences/etc. alongside God from everlasting even before time and space which thus, denies God was alone from everlasting and denies Jesus created all things. Only God alone occupies timeless spacelessness. You did not always exist so let that pride die right now. Get over yourself already.

Your God the Father is a physical being not a spirit so for him to conceive in Mary is physical sex. Mary never had sex with a physical Father. On the contrary, the Bible says God the Father is not a physical being so when the Holy Spirit conceived in Mary it was not physical sex.