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Since the new city is a physical city, and the old earth will be burnt up, the physical new earth must be Mars since there is no other viable option.
That is ridiculous. You have shown no scriptural support, only mindless repetition.
You are guilty of:
Insulting others - 2 points
and failing in these two rules:
6. When discussing with others, respond directly, specifically and courteously, otherwise your thought is not conducive for fellowship and discussion. After a point is made and responded to, the former shows the latter's misunderstanding with evidence, but the latter just keeps repeating his same old misunderstanding or false teaching without support even though the burden of the proof is on him now. The petty self, belligerency and obstinacy of repetitive self-declarations expose the weakness of an argument in trying to deflect and circumvent the issue, especially by being coy. When someone does this, they are really pointing to themselves as the center and not God.
Since nothing in nature happens all by itself, and no god exists all by itself, then we know with certainty the uncreated created. That uncreated is God of the Bible.
That makes no sense. You provide neither scriptural proof, nor sound logic.
If nothing in nature happens by itself, then everything has a cause.
No God exists by itself? That's your argument for the Trinity??
You are not saved because you worship a created ideology, not the uncreated God.
And YOU are not saved because you do not obey God.
When the book of Revelation was written it was meant to be the final book of the books of the Bible, that is, the final of the 66 books just as Genesis is the first book of the Bible. 1, 2 and 3 John were written in the early 2nd century.
Huh? Please provide proof.
How do you know that Revelation was "meant" to be the final book? Since you claim that John 1, 2 and 3 were written after Revelation, how can it be the final book?
Genesis is the first book because it is the first words of scripture that we have! It describes the creation of the earth. Your words prove nothing!
The books of the Bible that followed Deuteronomy do not add onto the Word, for they are in complete harmony as the Word. This is quite unlike adding mormon-moron books which do not agree with the Word.
Guilty:
Insulting others - 2 points
and failing in this rule:
Taken literally, the New Testament is a direct violation of Deuteronomy 4:2. You have completely failed to address this. People who are not blinded see that both Deuteronomy and Revelation 22:18 contain injunctions against people altering the commandments given to Moses and the Book of Revelation. John obviously never intended his words to be applied to the whole Bible.
You have offered no evidence in support of your claim. Again.
Matt. 3.13-17 doesn't talk about different individuals, but the distinct Persons of the Godhead which is One Being: Father, Son, Spirit. One who is humble is a Christian in agreement with the monotheistic God of the OT and
does not have a glaring contradiction of worshiping created being(s).
In John 17 the oneness spoken of is that of complete harmony in obedience. Just as Jesus was completely obedient to the Father, so may Christians be one. This does not mean Jesus is another being, for He still remains the same monotheistic God in the Triune Being with the Father and the Spirit of same substance.
So, please provide scriptural evidence of
a) one being
b) one substance
Until you do, you fail to address the glaring holes in your theology that clearly state that the 'oneness' spoken of is of purpose and will.
Jesus says that he and the Father are 'one', and Christians may be 'one. You claim that it means that "Just as Jesus was completely obedient to the Father, so may Christians be one", which means that Christians can be obedient to who? other Christians?
That is what your words say. What Jesus says is that Christians can be 'one' in their relationship with God and each other. Just as God and Jesus are 'one', so can Christians be 'one'. This explains how there can be 2 Gods (Jesus and the Father) and yet still be 'one'.
Since the Father is spirit, you can't see Him, so you won't be able to see the Son at His Father's right hand. But you will be able to see Jesus one day if you get saved, by seeing the One face of the Father and the Son as said in Rev. 22 because God is One personal Being. God is not a Person, but Three Persons: He reveals Himself in 3 forms that existed in eternity past: Father, Son, Spirit.
Stephen saw Jesus are the right hand of God. You seem to say that that didn't happen.
Your use of Revelation 22 is wrong.
Revelation 3:12 - Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
Revelation 14:1- And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads.
Thus we see that the name is the Father's name, and the Father and the Son are clearly shown to be separate.
The reason why Jesus is able to surpass all of creation in obedience to God is because Jesus is God Who is of one substance with the Father and the Spirit in the Being of the Godhead. Before the foundations of the world, the Father and the Son and the Spirit held council that the Son would be the one to enter into creation, the Spirit would indwell and our prayers would be taken to the Father.
The reason why Jesis is able to surpass all creation in obedience to God is because he was obedient! It is true that he was more than other mortals, but he was still a man.
The rapture of Christianity says that overcomer believers "alive" are raptured before the tribulation, while the non-overcomer believers alive at the time will pass through the tribulation for they were not yet ready to be received. This is shown in Matt. 24.40-41,42; Rev. 3.10; Luke 21.36. 1 Thess. 4.15-17 talks about those who are "alive" and "left" who were not "taken" (Matt. 24.40) before the Trib. The overcomer believers will return with Christ to reign on earth in the millennium with a rod of iron. Non-overcomer believers will lose the reward of reigning and be disciplined and made ready in outer darkness (which has no fire or furnace about it), outside the light of rewards of reigning with Christ during the 1000 years. At the end of the 1000 years all believers resurrected will enter into the new city. The good nations will be transferred livingly into the millennial kingdom, and after the 1000 years, rewards will be done away with in the new city and new earth.
The scriptures that you have provided do not explain the doctrine of the rapture. When Christ returns to earth, as the scriptures call it "the coming of the Son of man", it will be to usher in the millenium. So you think that when Christ returns he will go away again?
Luke 21:
25 ¶ And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
and
1 Thessalonians 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
You can see from these scriptures that the saints will be 'caught up' when the Lord returns. The 'tribulation' that is commonly being tossed around is not some future event. It is NOW.
Matt. 24.13 “Endureth to the end”—Always waiting, always looking for the Lord. The word “saved” here is different in meaning from a being saved in order to receive eternal life.
Really? So, in your mind 'saved' = 'reward', huh? How convenient. Too bad that's not what it says.
Since Matt. 24.4-31 is referencing the Jews and not Christians, this salvation is the enduring of the people of Israel in the time of Jacob's trouble under great persecution. If you don't know the Word of God well enough, you won't be able to delineate this fact. Christians are spoken of in Matt. 24.32-Matt. 25.30, and the nations are dealt with in Matt. 25.31-46.
You are using the word 'delineate' incorrectly. You should probably have used 'ascertain'.
Jesus is not referencing the Jews alone. He is referencing the people of Jerusalem, both Christian and Jew. If you knew the word of God well enough, you'd be able to ascertain this for yourself.
This is the evidence which proves you are hellbound and in need of authentic salvation. My prayers go out to you that you may see this is the case.
That's not evidence!
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