Originally Posted by Churchwork
Since you can't find a naturalistic explanation for the resurrection eyewitness claims, do you realize you are going to Hell?
And since nothing in nature happens all by itself, then you know the universe can't start up by itself, nor can it always have been existing due to the exponential progression of conscience.
Originally Posted by
JamesRobert
I find this to be a bit offensive. You shouldn't go around telling people that are unsure about their beliefs that they will be damned to an eternity in hell for being unsure. Plus, you miss the point which most people have a problem with. Most people don't think that they can figure out another explanation for how Christ was resurrected, they just think that he wasn't resurrected. I understand why you phrase it the way that you do, it's just offensive.
Jesus said if you are not for Him, you are against Him. You are not for Him, so you are against Him. Unless you know your real condition, claiming ignorance is not a valid excuse, then how will you ever get saved? What's offensive is using an excuse of shutting your mind down, don't read the Bible, to not accept what Christ did for you. Don't think this is humility thinking since no naturalistic theory can be maintained that you know of there can still be one. If it hasn't been found out in two millennia, what makes you think it will now? There is such a thing as false humility which is really pompous and arrogant. Those who want to remain in their sin nature can be offended all they want, but this miraculous grace God has given us in His Word is what you shut your mind down to, so be it. God wants to be with those who want to be conscientious, not pleading ignorance all the rest of the days of their lives before they are resurrected to Hell.
Christians are supposed to be accepting of people and different ways of life. How about gentle encouragement to join the flock? I came to this site looking to talk to people about religion, something that is important to me, and something that I am uncertain about. I expected (read: hoped) to find reasoned discussions. I've already posted in the forums, but I find this in my inbox telling me that I'm going to hell?
Being tolerant of people is not the same thing as accepting your way of life. I don't approve of sin, so why should you? There is nothing more gentle than in what Christ did for you on the cross, but this doesn't mean He is not to tell you about the consequences of rejecting what He does for you?
Jesus said, you are already condemned (John 3.18). Jesus doesn't beat around the bush. He tells you of His wonderful grace and love and mercy of the Father, but also of the inevitable consequences of those such as yourself who reject it. Otherwise it is not a true gospel of salvation. Tickling ears is not authentic.
In short, if you want people to listen to you in any situation where you are not preaching to the choir, then you don't want to insult them, or treat them like the religion that most people fear... the one that sold indulgences to poor saps for years. Threatening people will hell if they don't think like you do is no different.
They are not the choir. You reject Jesus. How is that the choir? Of course you are insulted, because you are going to Hell. Why be surprised by this? Christianity doesn't sell indulgences, so you ought not to use invalid arguments? If the Bible speaks against Christendom in Matth. 13 and Rev. 17, then by you speaking against it also, but to reject Christ, is duplicitous on your part. Shame on you! You are not going to Hell because you like or don't like a Christian. You are going to Hell, because you have to go some place, since you can't go to Heaven. Would a loving God let someone like you in the New City? Of course not, because you reject God and the Lamb who will be the center of the New City. I have told you the truth, the truth that will set you free.
The reason I moved this thread to Deism is because deism is the belief in an uncreated creator who is not personally involved, and the original poster seemed to be claiming in the existence of a creator though he rejected God's solution in His Word. However, he also claimed to be God with the nickname God, so that could have fallen under deification or for some eastern religions which teach you are God and God is everything including nature so since you are in nature you are God. However, the thread is definitely under the right category of Non-Trinitarians.
If you come to God with an honest heart, that is the first condition for grace enabling you to be born-again. Therefore, if you are not yet saved, it is because you restrict God's access to your heart. I would pray for you to accept the logic of the proof in nature and a personal God who personally reveals Himself to us, but I also know grace is such an amazing thing to know all things sum in Christ that to get you from being an unregenerate to regenerated with God's life is far deeper than any human can put words to. But once it happens, it is amazing then once-saved-always-saved. It is amazing thing to look back upon your salvation knowing you are chosen by the foundations of the world and can never be lost. Amen.
God is working all things for your good. Every day God is letting me fall more in love with Him, and you can have the same,
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How does one impart something they have to someone who doesn't have it? Through prayer and showing it. Keep corresponding and you may yet be saved. How does someone learn calculus after knowing just basic math? Read God's Word. Don't let your life pass you by without having read from beginning to end the Bible, perhaps with a good study guide like the most popular one in the world called the Life Application Study Bible with the New Living Translation. If you are still resisting then read The Spiritual Man (white cover only) by Watchman Nee to experience not only new birth but the dividing of your spirit, soul and body. Watch some videos to melt that hard heart of yours. I really recommend these Christian movies.
How can you stand here and not be moved by God? Nothing is better than this. God should be all you want and all you ever need. He is everything.
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